Art Creation Help

2008-10-26 [NOOOPE]: Sweet! Things are worded a little awkwardly here and there... and can do the moderates do the critiquing or oversee the place? Can everyone critique pics?

2008-10-26 [Hedda]: "and can do the moderates do the critiquing or oversee the place?"
And you say I word it awkwardly?

I'm not sure what you mean, but I think the everyone who have anything good to say should be able to say it.

2008-10-26 [Hedda]: "Critics" is a damn stupid word though! I should change it. "Helpers" is better!

2008-10-26 [NOOOPE]: Gah! The moderators. Their specific job. Are they the only ones critiquing? Or do they oversee the critiques that everyone is allowed to do?

2008-10-26 [Hedda]: The moderators basically only do 3) and keep an eye on everything. I guess they will generally be the most helping ones, but anyone can help. Doesn't it say so clearly?

2008-10-26 [NOOOPE]: Yes. That sounds good. Eee, I'm excited for this!

2008-10-27 [NOOOPE]: This is my suggestion for an intro edit: 

This is a project for everyone with a half-finished artwork they'd like help with, and for people who'd like to volunteer their knowledge to help other artists improve.

We welcome every level of artist, from professionals to people who can only manage stick figures. It doesn't matter if it's a photo manipulation, a drawing or a sculpture. If you want help, we will do our best to point you in the right direction!


Oh! And should we have something about offenders... people who flame or give rude critiques. How should we handle them?

We should also put our heads together and make like a... proper critique page. The kinda, does and do-nots of reviewing someone's artwork.

2008-10-27 [Hedda]: I prefer using "you who" instead of "everyone", because it makes it more personal.

"volunteer their knowledge to help other artists improve" sound too complicated and it's to the wrong point as the goal is to improve the current piece of art and not about general improvements.

2008-10-27 [NOOOPE]: alighty

2008-10-27 [Hedda]: I don't know if sculpture should be written there really... They're welcome to submit it, I guess, but I wouldn't write it.

"If you want help, we will do our best to point you in the right direction! " is wrong. The text isn't written by the ones who are helping, so it mustn't sound like that.

And we don't want to go on and on and on and on about people being rude or how to handle that. If you treat everyone like they are about to behave rudely, they will do just that.

I think a critique page sound like a waste of space, but I might be wrong. No one who needs it will read it, and it will be pointless for the others. And there is no general thing to say. Maybe we'll notice things when it gets started though.

2008-10-27 [NOOOPE]: Ok, I see all your points. I'm just paranoid about bad critiques because off all the madness I've seen on deviantart and other art galleries.

I guess if people flame, we can just handle that when it comes up, but well meaning people may say stupid things, or say totally useless things, which is why a brief how-to-critique page might be something useful. Mods can direct bad critics/helpers there, in a friendly sorta "here's some advise" sorta way.

2008-10-27 [NOOOPE]: you're professional who want to have suggestions about how to an image funnier or if you're a newbie that can't make the stick figure's shadow look good.

This is the part I really find awkward by the way.

2008-10-27 [Hedda]: I don't know if I can make it more clear. Is this better?

2008-10-27 [Hedda]: But Deviantart is just stuffed with PMS-bitches who have nothing else to do than hating people to feel good about themselves, unlike Elftown that only has very nice, friendly and helpful members!

2008-10-27 [NOOOPE]: Hahahah, oh [Hedda]. Bless this little utopia of yours.

I think... lemme see,

You're just as welcome to submit if you're professional who wants ideas on what to add to your piece, or if you're a newbie that can't make a stick figure's shadow look right.

Hah, I only changed two words kind of. I think right sounds better than good. Good didn't sound right to me (excuse the oddness of this statement).

2008-10-27 [Hedda]: You missed the missing "a" (otherwise it's wrong) and that "or" should be "as".

2008-11-09 [Hedda]: I've posted a to here from <URI:start.html> (to the left).

I'll make an alarm about it later when everyone has taken a last look at this page.

2008-11-09 [NOOOPE]: Are we gonna have a finished art page and an advice on critiquing page?

2008-11-09 [Chimes]: That would be a good idea.

2008-11-09 [Hedda]: What would the "finished art page" be? Where we show the last versions of people's drawing? Yes, I think that building such a page, would be nice when we have something to put there.

Advice on critiquing? Do you think anyone will comment if they have to read through 4711 "do":s and "don't":s first? I think it will scare people away, and the ones who need to read it, will not read it anyway.